lc7535 發表於 2013-9-6 21:00
係唔係邀请Soxxx9兄出台嚟发表发表更精彩？
Btw, 多谢版主分享！
人名，恩怨，是非，我很模糊。我只記得內容。
Skkypole 發表於 2013-9-6 22:25
人名，恩怨，是非，我很模糊。我只記得內容。
咁樣
做人 "kum lo" 好多 ... ;P
ic112 發表於 2013-9-6 21:26
有Pandachief 兄，需要嗎?
{:4_134:}
kgv 發表於 2013-9-6 22:21
Panda 兄
Knowledgeable 得來
又 humble
{:4_134:}{:4_134:}
kgv 發表於 2013-9-6 22:37
咁樣
做人 "kum lo" 好多 ...
成K San 貴言，希望大家水漲船高。:lol
Skkypole 發表於 2013-9-6 23:06
成K San 貴言，希望大家水漲船高。
{:4_90:}
{:5_266:}
本帖最後由 Pandachief 於 2013-9-9 14:33 編輯
Just stayed in Disney Hotel with my daughter for 2 days!! So here is the second one!I learnt a lot from SonyT9 ching too. He is a true Collector and very knowledgeble with original ideas and point of view.
Pandachief Tips #2
When you look at the top engraving of a Black Paint camera, the serial numbers (M3 - XXXXXXX) is usually thinner and seems lighter white. Whereas, the Leica logo part (Left side) of the engraving is thicker and more solid white.It is because the serial number were engraved on to the top, whereas the Leica logo side were using some kind of machine press to press the engraving on.So when they apply the white paint after the engraving and pressing, the slot of the serial numbers part have sharper edge and finer engraving. The Leica logo part, because it uses a machine to press on, the edge of the black paint become rounded, therefore the edge of the slot are less refine and the while paint then looks thicker.
For late repaint or a fake black paint that uses a top with after market engraving, they usually won't go into such detail. Not to mention a study of the process of production and how things turn out. So even all engavings are in the right place, they won't show the same characteristics.
This was taught to me by Lars, my most respected Leica Expert. Therefore I show a pic of his book while demonstrate the top of a Black Paint M3.
bubu 發表於 2013-9-5 19:06
How big would these bubbles be?
I have a well-brassed M4 that has bubbles over the left-behind pa ...
Tiny like toothpics are just right!! M4 BP should be glossy.
Agree. And just not worth to Repaint a M4 when all its BP versions are relatively easy to find and much less cost
Besides bubble. I think the natural brassing also difficult to imitate in a Repaint work. So to shop for an original BP, should look for used ones rather than Look New ones. My small opinion
JoCh 發表於 2013-9-7 20:12
Besides bubble. I think the natural brassing also difficult to imitate in a Repaint work. So to shop ...
The way the original black paint brass is hard to imitate (Let's cover that one in next Tips) but it doesn't mean all naturally brassed Black Paint M are original paint because it can be repaint 30-40 years ago!!
Very new one do exist, in fact, there's a very new early batch BP M3 will come up in coming HK Auction that look very good to me. Just we have to look at many other factors when it comes to brand new condition black paint M.
本帖最後由 Pandachief 於 2013-9-9 14:22 編輯
Pandachief Tips #3
Let's talk about strap lugs of black paint camera:
Leica M3 and M2 are considered full black paint cameras with almost all parts in black paint. (Of course early batch of budda ear M3 is probably the true full black paint camera, I will cover that later). Therefore, M3 and M2's strap lug are black paint on brass, and when the paint comes off (brassing), it will show a golden brass colour.
Leica M4 is considered semi black paint camera, while the body and many knobs are black paint, there's also many black chrome parts (such as shutter speed dial) and some silver chrome parts (Such as the plate under the shutter release button).The strap lug of over 99% of M4 black paint should be silver in colour. (Unless it is the ultra rare early first batch all black paint M4, but they are so rare that not many people know they exist. Not even shown in most Leica collector book, I believe rarer than budda ear BP M3).
Leica started to use strap lug from Leica III and the old Screw Mount BP Leica III do not have black paint strap lug.
But the collectible millartary BP IIIf and IIIG will have black paint strap lug that show brassing.
Reissue models such as MP3, M3J have budda ear black paint strap lug.
For those black paint M6s, it depends which special edition you are after. Some with black paint strap lug and some don't. I don't think there's any fake or repaint of these camera models out there so I will not cover in detail here.
One thing worth mentioning is M4 Black Chrome camera, they are a all black camera including the strap lug and many other areas that are silver on black paint M4. Actually, the earlier batch of black chrome M4 have black chrome strap lug will brass and show golden brassing instead of black on silver (later ones). I really love those cameras because most black chrome M4 will show silver after the black chrome wear off.
Learnt! Thank you! {:6_284:}
Thanks for such great elaboration.{:4_134:}
Just recieved a SMS from my respected SonyT9 ching with his encouragement and support to me for keeping this thread going! Mean a lot to me. :)
keep it going Panda hing!!!{:4_133:}
raumplan 發表於 2013-9-9 15:29
keep it going Panda hing!!!
Next tips may be share a little on M2 version Black Paint Steel Rim... for you... {:4_117:}
Pandachief 發表於 2013-9-9 15:26
Just recieved a SMS from my respected SonyT9 ching with his encouragement and support to me for keep ...
That is great.
I believe many of us love to meet him here again, be it about BP or anything Leica.
Many thanks for so much details {:4_134:}
本帖最後由 Cpyleitz 於 2013-9-9 20:27 編輯
good thread. I love brassy M. Just sold an M4 bp and missed it dearly, only a brassy MP can crunch my thirst.